Answer Negative School Choice Comments- SAMPLE RESPONSES

Submitted by merle_skinner on

General Negative Response from others: (Sample Comments are in black and highlighted areas are some responses)

 
If School Choice passes and private schools eventually siphon money away from public education, what do you think it will do to Public education funding?  Who is going to pay for the large shortfall/gap in funding?
 
I understand your concern, however there are several assumptions that I think you have that may not be accurate.  First, with every student that leaves public education to go to private, the public school still receives both local and federal dollars. 
 
Also, you assume that everyone will leave the public schools in mass.  That will not be true.  All of the estimates show numbers more likely close to 4-5%.  Even at a higher level, we are not talking about draining the public system.  In addition, the level of accountability that is involved in school choice, does have the benefit of making schools work harder to preform better.  That is not necessarily a bad thing.
 
It isn't about school choice:
 
YES IT IS... as people who are at the free lunch level who the voucher program relates cannot AFFORD school choice... this opens that up for all of the students who meet that level across the state over the three year period.. The vast majoritty of our schools are serving many students from low income families, without the resources necessary to do that.  Yet every year our schools find ways to sacrifice to help these families. 
 
School choice is here already. 
 
NO it isn’t... school choice is only here now, for people who are wealthy enough to pay for private school tuition, have the funds to move out of a poor or failing school, or who want only certain options like cyberschool... It is not there for most of the families without MAJOR sacrifices.  EITC has been very successful, but only to a relatively small percentage of the people who need it.. and want it..
 
The issue is funding and how and who will get it.  
 
That is not true... we have money to help families have choice... over the period of time.. it will save the state money.  
 
The way school choice reads right now unless you are one of the failing school buildings, not districts, in the commonwealth, you arent eligible.
 
Failing schools do need help.. and this intentionally to keep the costs down, and to give districts a chance to respond.  Overall choice must be the goal.
 
Also it will be the schools choice, not the parents if they will take you.
 
Parents will have many more choices.. and yes schools will retain the ability to serve students who are willing to follow their rules, etc.  In reality now the private schools across the state are serving many of the underprivileged and people that are not of their faith, etc. 
 
 
One of my key concerns is that subsidizing private school tuition has the potential for draining resources from and thereby further exacerbating the problems being faced by our most troubled school districts.
 
First, school choice is not subsidizing private school tuition.  It is providing parents with a way to pay their tuition.  There is a difference.  Secondly, school choice has such a small investment in giving parents a choice to a quality education compared to what we invest in public education, the argument is greatly exaggerated.  In addition, the first year, public schools are held harmless.  We have been hearing for the past 50 years, keep the education money flowing and things will change, but they aren't changing significantly.  It is time to invest where real change can happen. 
 
Vouchers would not cover all of the tuition
That is only true of some of the more elete expensive private schools, and potentially some of the broader school districts in year  three.  But the average voucher could help make that happen.  The average ACSI school tuition in PA is between $4,000 and $5,500.  In reality a cost savings to the state.  That cost is less in Catholic and others schools at places.  There are plenty open seats in the Commonwealth in EXISTING schools that would save the Commonwealth money. 
 
I cannot support a new program that will cost the state more money. 
There is a clear understanding among those that understand the bill and the private school community, that school choice will save the State money especially in the first couple of years, and in the long run will not only provide more accountability, but much more efficient use of educational funds. 
 
School Choice will raise local property taxes.

 Most of the local calculations to determine property taxes are on a per-pupil basis.  If the local student population decreases then local taxes should decrease.  Property taxes did not increase in any other state that has a similar program and public school per-pupil allocations always increased.

 
Private schools are not accountable, and have to be required to be more accountable, including taking PSSA Tests, Allowing for OPT outs for religious instruction, and increasing regulation if we do provide these funds.  The following areas that are bolded address articles compiled from Administrator feedback from accross the state.   
 
Consensus Comments Regarding Accountability from Pennsylvania ACSI Administrators:
 
In general, the overarching principles involved for Christian Schools is the commitment to maintaining a high standard of professionalism in terms of quality instruction, as well as maintaining the unique mission we are working to accomplish in the lives of our students.
 
Graduation Rates and Continuing Post High School Rates Estimations.
 
Similar faith based private schools are between 90-95% continuing education rates (going on to college or advanced training) and 95-97% High School Graduation Rates. We are estimating that ACSI PA Schools are very close to similar to that. 
 
How are Private Schools Held Accountable?

Studies show the most significant factors in student achievement are home environment and parental involvement.  In private schools parents are engaged and involved in their child's future and have a financial stake in their educational choice.  While Private schools are held accountable through nationally recognized standardized student assessments, through regional accrediting organizations, they are ultimately held accountable through direct accountability of parents.  Private schools consistently test their students using recognized testing tools such as the Standford Achievement Test, the Terra Nova Assessment, the PSAT, the SAT, the SAT Subject Tests, the ACT, and Advanced Placement Exams.  Private schools are also accredited, recognized, and/or associated with such private and public agencies such as the PA Department of Education (PDE), the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools (MSACS),  Pennsylvania Association of Independent Schools, International Baccalaureate Organization, the Association of Christian School's International (ACSI), the National Catholic Education Association (NCEA), the Council for the Advancement in Support of Education (CASE), and the Association for Supervision and Curriculum Development (ASCD).  Ultimately, private schools are held more directly accountable for student achievement than any public school.  Parents who are not satisfied with their child's level of achievement can elect to remove their child from that school and save thousands of dollars to do it.  No comparable direct accountability exists in public schools.  If a parent is dissatisfied with their child's level of achievement they may not freely leave without moving or paying thousands of dollars to obtain another educational option for their child.  More instruction time, produces better achievement, not taking more tests. 

 
Why Don't Private Schools Choose to Take the PSSA?  
 
One of the things that we do know from educational research is that additional testing does not increase achievement, and that testing is only one of a variety of levels of assessment data to determine the quality of schools.  We also know that the increased focus on testing in the public sector has not increased student achievement, but often increases teaching to produce success on testing scores.  What we do know is that increased instruction increases achievement.  Therefore, private schools elect to balance the need for standardized testing while protecting valuable classroom instructional time. 
 
Increased Regulation Does Not Increase Performance
 
If we examine the current success of the private schools in PA there is not any correlation to their success being tied to regulation.  In fact, it can also be presumed that some of our success can be tied to the ability to teach and respond to student needs rather than governmental control.  Some of our most regulated schools are our most significantly failing schools. 
 
Our Focus as Private Schools Remains on Delivering a Sound Product.
 
As a movement we are rooted in the ability to deliver a mission based targeted product to our consumers that meets their needs.  In this case, we cannot stay in business as a school without being an excellent school.  Nothing in SB1 has the potential to change that, it can only accelerate the potential for parents to choose a product they want.  As Christian Schools AND High Quality Schools we want to leverage every potential resource to do that!
 
Attached is the REACH Accountability Paper

 

Parochial School Accountability – Just the Facts

 

·         Parents are the ultimate accountability standardand currently parents of hundreds of thousands of students are making the choice to provide their children with an education at a Parochial school in Pennsylvania.

 

·         Accountability to parents is a primary concern of every Parochial school. Each year, parents will decide whether or not to pay tuition to enroll their child in one of these schools.  If parents are not satisfied that their child’s school is doing a good job, they will remove their child.

 

·         In large part, the tuition parents choose to pay is on top of property taxes they are already paying to help fund their local public school.

 

·         The overwhelming majority of Parochial schools are accredited with the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools.  This longstanding organization is committed to excellence in all levels across the continuum of education, whose purposes are to encourage, advance, assist and sustain the quality and integrity of education.

 

·         Most Parochial schools also administer standardized tests such as Stanford Achievement Tests, ITBS Iowa Test of Basic Skills, Terra Nova Tests of Achievement, PSAT, SAT and ACT.

 

·         In addition, Parochial schools comply with a long list of state regulations:

o   Compulsory attendance

o   Minimum days and hours of instruction

o   Minimum course requirements

o   Graduation requirements

o   Health and safety regulations such as fire, cleanliness, building construction, playground safety, lighting, heating, food safety, and emergency response, for example.

o   Staff background check requirements

 

·         97.5% of students graduate at Parochial high schools.  Of those graduates, over 90% go on to attend either a two or four-year institute of higher learning.

 

·         The bottom line is, Parochial schools can only stay open if parents choose to send their child to these schools.  Therefore, accountability to our parents and communities is and will continue to be a top priority.

 

What is the REACH Alliance? Founded in 1991 to advance educational options, REACH (Road to Educational Achievement through Choice) is Pennsylvania’s grassroots coalition for school choice, drawing upon a powerful network of statewide members and coalition partners of non-public education, faith, business, parent and labor organizations.

 

REACH efforts in the state Senate in 1991 led to passage of a statewide school choice plan in the state Senate, though the bill was later defeated on a procedural vote in the House. In 1995 and 1999, REACH led lobbying and grass roots efforts to support Gov. Ridge's school choice legislation, and secured an historic victory for parents with the 2001 passage of the Educational improvement Tax Credit.  REACH has also been a consistent advocate for charter schools.

For more information on the REACH Alliance, visit www.paschoolchoice.org.

 

ACSI Statement of Accountability Position

Association of Christian Schools International -Statement to Promote School Accountability & Integrity

The vision of the Association of Christian Schools International (ACSI) is to be an association that speaks with an authoritative voice in education, which consists of effective Christian schools that contribute to the public good. Throughout the ACSI Northeast Region, there are 508 member schools, representing a total of 81,388 students. Specifically in the state of Pennsylvania, there are respectively, 186 member schools, totaling 32,630 students. Consistent in these numbers is the underlying presupposition that parents are choosing to place their children in the school of their choice.

ACSI is leading schools toward greater effectiveness and program accountability by providing its member schools with the two significant services: formal school improvement programs such as ACSI Accreditation and ACSI STAR (Steps Towards Achieving Recognition) and a formal student assessment program, the Stanford 10 (SAT 10) standardized testing program.

ACSI accreditation is a formal and nationally recognized process whereby schools submit themselves to a process of self examination and review in order to validate and strengthen the organization and its overall quality of instruction on behalf of the student population it serves. Of the 182 member schools in Pennsylvania, there are twenty nine schools that are fully accredited. Additionally, through the ACSI STAR program, there are thirty two schools that have committed themselves to this program of institutional improvement and accountability. The numbers reflected here continue to reflect an upward trend with an increasing number of member schools seeking to validate their programs in order to serve their students and families with institutional integrity.

In another area to promote accountability for student learning in its member schools, ACSI is a distributor and support liaison for the SAT 10 standardized testing program. The SAT 10 test is one measure to validate student academic achievement to school leaders and parents, along with providing the data required to plan and measure progress. Of the 186 PA member schools, there were sixty eight schools that participated directly through ACSI. What is not known and which is to be understood, is that the remaining PA schools outside of this number choose to participate separately in the SAT 10 program, or with another standardized testing vendor.

In the Qualities of Effective Teachers, James H. Strong comments that effective student learning requires authentic assessment as a means for continuing instruction and growth.  With an ongoing commitment to serve schools with services that assist their accountability efforts to assess student academic performance, ACSI is committed to the concept of authentic student assessment measures and institutional accountability; with the end goal to develop effective schools that contribute to the public good and that operate with integrity, on behalf of the students served.

 

 

 

 

 
 
 
 

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Tue, 03/08/2011 - 17:56

 Philip Murren, of the law firm Ball, Murren & Connell refuted the unconstitutionality of the bill extensively before the Senate Education Committee. We have included his testimony as a link if you would like to read more about the issue.